ODD fish colors on the Ottertail river!

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FP4LifesDad
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ODD fish colors on the Ottertail river!
<p>We fish the OtterTail river quite a bit because it&#39;s right by home and the closest one we have that hooks unimpeded into a major system. &nbsp;Every once in awhile we catch some really odd colored fish, never really thought much of it until this one, it&#39;s a bigmouth buffalo that FP caught that was black as coal from top to bottom, cool looking but very strange. &nbsp;Anyone else ever seen one this black? &nbsp;I searched the species photos here and on the web and haven&#39;t seen one like it any place else. &nbsp;As much as I hate to go here (all the broken lines, snags, and hooks) I may dive this spot this summer just to see what&#39;s down there. &nbsp;We caught a golden redhorse a couple years ago (on his brother&#39;s lifelist) that&#39;s super black too. &nbsp;Here&#39;s the buff:</p> <p><img src="http://roughfish.com/sites/default/files/black%20bigmouth_0.JPG" /></p> <p>I thought it was a pretty cool looking fish, as we&#39;ve never seen one like it, not that we catch many buffs cuz we don&#39;t. &nbsp;FP did noodle one though shortly after catching this one, well kind of. &nbsp;Somebody had dropped a nice bigmouth into the rocks by shore, and as he was moving down the rip rap he spotted a tail sticking out of a tiny pool wedged in between the rocks, so he grabbed it and pulled it out, another bigmouth, it was more then happy to swim back to it&#39;s home in the main river again. &nbsp;We don&#39;t know if someone did it on accident or on purpose, whatever the case it was saved from a slow death.</p> <p>One other strange fish, or maybe not so much, was this carp he foul hooked. &nbsp;It has a really odd scale pattern that I&#39;d never noticed before either. &nbsp;Is this a possible beginning morph into a mirror carp? &nbsp;Would be cool if it was, that means there could be some full blown mirrors in here. &nbsp;I know I&#39;ve seen several pics of ones shot around here by bowfishers further up river who thought they were mutants so they felt they helped by getting them out of the system. &nbsp;I explained to them how rare they are and how we had been searching for them and to STOP shooting them and buffs! &nbsp;Big group of guys that are customers of mine and friends, so hopefully this will save a few of these special fish from sudden death, as they all have a huge amount of respect for FP&#39;s mission and fishing ability. &nbsp;Here&#39;s the carp, cool pattern I&#39;ve never noticed before:</p> <p><img src="http://roughfish.com/sites/default/files/oddcarp_0.JPG" /></p> <p>Oh, and here&#39;s the blackish golden redhorse from a couple years ago same area:</p> <p><img src="http://roughfish.com/sites/default/files/styles/very_large/public/user-lifelist-images/SubstandardFullSizeRender.jpg?itok=HMzrEyPG" /></p> <p>Anyone ever caught these really blacked out fish in other areas? &nbsp;Thanks gang.</p>
SomewhereDownstream
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Fish Colors

That carp looks awesome!

As far as oddly coloured fish, I do know of a pond where the bass tend to be a very, very dark green and the bluegills tend to look very dark, almost black, with vivid bronze underbellies. I don't know if that counts, though, because a bluegill from one pond will never look quite like a bluegill from another.

The distortion in that guy's scale pattern just behind the anal fin may be from a heroin. Any kind of stab wound (usually from a heroin) will cause carp scales to grow back in like that as the fish heals.

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Crap

"H-e-r-o-n" autocorrected to "heroin". "S-p-o-t-t-a-I-l  S-h-I-n-e-r" autocorrects to "spiritual whiner". "S-t-o-n-e-c-a-t" autocorrects to "democrat". It's really ironic that on a website devoted to obscure fish species doesn't recognize the names of any obscure fish species. 

Or maybe that's just my device. I don't know.

Autocorrect capitalized every I, too, which probably made that really hard to read.

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FP4LifesDad
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LOL I hear ya!

My phone does that to me sometimes too, like when I text my wife, "oiwfaj03495u2349jdkvjz;lckv j[" it auto corrects to:  I'm really drunk come get me hahaha.  That's really interesting about the "heron" thing though I'd never heard that but it makes sense, I've caught really odd shaped walleyes before that I figured were diformed from a wound when they were little too.

This dark black phase is interesting, it must be something in the water or something that they are eating, oddly it doesn't affect all of them.  I've heard of some lakes up north that have walleyes that are tinted bright blue from something similar, but I've never seen or caught one myself.  Thanks for the input  Susq!

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Fish Colors

I have seen pictures of Winnipeg drainage walleyes with light flanks and green backs, and, as I said earlier, the sunfish look different in every pond and small stream I fish. Wild trout are much more colourful than stocked trout, but stocked fish can practially become wild fish in colour, flavour, and behaviour after a couple of years. The smallmouths in the Susquehanna basin look slightly different from the ones in Tennessee look slightly different from the ones in Canada. They say that the pike in some green-ish spring ponds looked almost bleached, but I haven't seen any real proof of that.

I think that it's mostly a matter of genetics, but diet seems to contribute some to.

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Re: Partial Mirror Carp

My understanding is that mirror carp are genetically different than non-mirror (same species, etc, but something expresses differently), so there's no such thing as a partial Mirror- it just shows up in various degrees. I think Susquehannock is right on with it probably being a heron wound or something that healed- we've all caught fish who've had a rough go in life!

That makes me wonder- has anyone caught a fish that has a fresh stab/bite wound? I've only ever really seen pics of fish with healed wounds, and I've certainly never caught one (mauled shorthead notwithstanding).

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Not heron stab wounds, but I

Not heron stab wounds, but I have caught fish with fresh lamprey wounds, Northern Pike bite wounds, and snapper bites.

Life list goals for 2021: Silver Redhorse, Greater Redhorse, River Redhorse, Bowfin, Moon Eye, Channel Cat (I have caught many channels years ago, but have no pictures)

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That biggest buff FP caught

That biggest buff FP caught had a somewhat healed over hole on the other side of it's head about the size of a nickel and probably 1/4 to 1/2 inch deep, I'd guess was from an arrow that luckily didn't penetrate deeper into it.  I've caught walleyes too up in Canada with fresh pike/muskie bites, even watched one of them occur with a big northern had a buddy of mines walleye cross ways in it's mouth like a lab carrying a stick, we had it up to the boat several times, I'd guess in the 20-25 lb range, until it decided it was done playing and shot off snapping the line and taking his/our lunch with him lol.

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Muddler Carp

My friend has a small pond in his backyard filled with baby carp and a good number of them have scales like that. I sent a picture to a European carp angler on Instagram asking what they call it and he told me muddler carp. A carp with partial mirror scale pattern. I've also caught one like that at the Anoka dam.

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Arrow wounds

I know a guy who likes to bowfish for carp (which, contrary to popular belief, is not environmentally horrible or to despicably cruel when done right). He occasionally gets pretty mad and depressed over people who do dumb crap and lose arrowed fish, people who waste their fish, and other morons. He shoots smallish carp to eat and says he hasn't lost anything he's shot.

As I said, not all bowfishermen are despicable. However, because of morons, it's probably possible to catch a fish with arrow wounds in it.

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