Micro ID help needed. (I am stumped on these)

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Micro ID help needed. (I am stumped on these)
<p><span style="font-size:12px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; ">I hate to say this but wow I am no dang good at minnow ID.&nbsp;<br /> I just havent studied them like the other species.&nbsp;<br /> I am leaving these pictures large to get a good view of details.&nbsp;<br /> <br /> First few came from a small creek flowing into </span></span><st1:place><span style="font-size:12px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; ">Lake Winnebago</span></span></st1:place><span style="font-size:12px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; "> in </span></span><st1:state><st1:place><span style="font-size:12px;"><span style="font-family: Arial; ">Wisconsin</span></span></st1:place></st1:state><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; "><span style="font-size:12px;">.<br /> <br /> <strong><span style="font-size:16px;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0); ">Fish #1</span></span></strong><br /> <br /> Emerald Shiner right?</span><br /> <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><img alt="" src="http://www.roughfish.com/~roughfis/sites/default/files/emerald.jpg" style="width: 720px; height: 225px; " /></span><br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; ">Next gets harder for me.&nbsp;<br /> <br /> <strong><span style="font-size:16px;"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0); ">Fish #2</span></span></strong><br /> <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br /> <!--[endif]--></span><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; "><!--[endif]--><img alt="" src="http://www.roughfish.com/~roughfis/sites/default/files/minnow1a.jpg" style="width: 720px; height: 248px; " /><img alt="" src="http://www.roughfish.com/~roughfis/sites/default/files/minnow1b.jpg" style="width: 720px; height: 245px; " /></span><br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; "><span id="cke_bm_185S" style="display: none; ">&nbsp;</span><span id="cke_bm_186S" style="display: none; ">&nbsp;</span><span id="cke_bm_187S" style="display: none; ">&nbsp;</span>This guy is new to me also. (It was getting dark so the pics are not the best)<br /> Things I noticed (The downward facing mouth, spots along the top and bottom of the lateral line, slight caudal spot, and what appear to be tighter bunched scales on the dorsal surface behind the head)<br /> <br /> Perhaps a Bullhead Minnow?<br /> <span id="cke_bm_187E" style="display: none; ">&nbsp;</span><span id="cke_bm_186E" style="display: none; ">&nbsp;</span><span id="cke_bm_185E" style="display: none; ">&nbsp;</span><!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br /> <strong><span style="color:#ff0000;"><span style="font-size: 16px; ">Fish #3</span></span></strong><br /> <br /> <img alt="" src="http://www.roughfish.com/~roughfis/sites/default/files/minnow2a.jpg" style="width: 720px; height: 224px; " /><img alt="" src="http://www.roughfish.com/~roughfis/sites/default/files/minnow2b.jpg" style="width: 720px; height: 315px; " /><img alt="" src="http://www.roughfish.com/~roughfis/sites/default/files/minnow2c.jpg" style="width: 720px; height: 195px; " /><img alt="" src="http://www.roughfish.com/~roughfis/sites/default/files/bullhead%20minnow.jpg" style="width: 720px; height: 194px; " /></span><br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; ">Next two came from the </span><st1:place><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; ">Lower Wisconsin river</span></st1:place><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; "> near Muscuda.<br /> <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br /> <span style="color:#ff0000;"><span style="font-size: 16px; "><strong>Fish #4</strong></span></span><br /> <br /> <!--[endif]--></span><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; "><!--[endif]--><img alt="" src="http://www.roughfish.com/~roughfis/sites/default/files/minnow4a.jpg" style="width: 720px; height: 213px; " /><img alt="" src="http://www.roughfish.com/~roughfis/sites/default/files/minnow4b.jpg" style="width: 720px; height: 308px; " /></span><br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; ">And the last one also from the same spot. It was very silvery with little to no pigment. I was actually wondering about </span><st1:state><st1:place><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; ">Mississippi</span></st1:place></st1:state><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; "> silvery minnow.&nbsp;<br /> <!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--><br /> <span style="color:#ff0000;"><span style="font-size: 16px; "><strong>Fish #5</strong></span></span><br /> <br /> <img alt="" src="http://www.roughfish.com/~roughfis/sites/default/files/minnow5.jpg" style="width: 720px; height: 194px; " /><br /> <!--[endif]--></span></p>
Jknuth's picture
fixed the image issue I think

fixed the image issue I think.


Hengelaar's picture

Die bovenste lijkt haast een beetje op een alvertje...

Fishn sure is neat

Jknuth's picture
Ok thinking I am an idiot and

Ok thinking I am an idiot and fish #3 is a Bluntnose Minnow.
I have only caught larger males that look different. 


andy's picture
bait...shiners I think...
Just kidding, but I have no idea. While trout fishing today on some new water, I coined the word ” micro” as a swear word. Whenever a shiner or chub orlogperch was hooked it was oooooooh fuck just another micro...damn it. But obviously I was looking for bigger tastier stuff.
Tyler W
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Freaking Micro

#1 looks like an emerald.

#2 looks like a sand. They can be amazingly abundant.

#3. I think you need to unhook minnows before you take a photo. The hook distorts the head shape...

But, blunts are common. It certaintly has the dorsal crowding that puts it into the minnow category. I think overall shape suggests blunt.

#4. Looks like a very small common shiner. They have huge mouths. But, they have a tendency to throw me off.

#5. I think you are right. It totally has chub lips, large scales and no pigment.

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Awesome thanks.
Number 5 was tough one for me. It looked very different then any shiner I have ever seen. The only "Minnow" I have seen with the same brillant silver was a silver chub. Tt just glowed, beautiful little fish. 

I was having issues with fish flying out of my hand yesterday so i kept it on the hook. I forgot my new photo tray.

Thats awesome. I remember hords of "Micros" pissing me off when fishing for carpsuckers. Lil bastards.

What is cool about yesterday was the spot I fished. I grew up a block from this creek and spent every day down in the water below this bridge. I chased minnows, darters and crayfish for hours then hauled them all home in buckets in a wagon to "ID" them. Little minni scientist. I am happy I have a Bluntnose minnow again. The only photo I have of one is very dead with its fins pinned open. My dad took the picture for me when I was planning on making my own feild guide at the age of 10. This creek has changed so much, but I still had a memory flood that nearly blew me away. 
Its where I got started, so many firsts happened there. 
I took Ruffie along and showed him the spots I ran around in when I was a lad. I even took him by the old knuth home for a few pictures. 
Good memories yesterday. 

Gunnar's picture
Would love to return to the

Would love to return to the Rocky Mountain creeks and lakes of my childhood and get some pictures of my earliest (but un-photographed) lifers, like cutthroat trout, and fish properly for all the species I now know were there the whole time (whitefish, suckers, micros).

Cool that your creek still exists. I have a feeling a lot of people's childhood creeks aren't around any more, or are in culverts under malls, retirement homes, and parking lots.


Redhorse ID cheatsheets, gars, suckers: moxostoma.com

2020: 10 days fishing 11 species 0 lifers. 2019: 34/45/13 2018: 39/40/5

Heidi's picture

Die bovenste lijkt haast een beetje op een alvertje...


I think in English this is: "This top seems almost a bit like a(n)? ablet (kind of fish?)


"Can you pull the leviathan in with a fishook?" Job 41: 1


Professor Fish
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River shiners have 7 anal
River shiners have 7 anal rays and silverys have 8.
MichaelAngelo's picture
What about the black

What about the black crescents between the nostrils of fish #4?  I think that indicates it's a silver shiner?