potential Satinfin Shiner

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FishyJackson
potential Satinfin Shiner

Wanted to get some opinions on this fish, been having tough time getting input on it.   I originally decided to let it go as inconclusive, but I have re-opened the case.  This was caught in Delaware River where both Spotfin and Satinfin Shiners are found, Spotfin being more prevalent.  Not great pic but there appears to be pigmentation all across the dorsal fin, which sounds like a key factor for distinguishing between the 2.  Tough to get a good count of the anal rays from the pic, but I'm thinking the dorsal pigmentation is enough to declare this a Satinfin.  Does anyone agree? Would y'all count this as a Satinfin on your lists?

 

http://roughfish.com/sites/default/files/20170716_075138_Moment%283%29-1.jpg

 

http://roughfish.com/sites/default/files/20170716_075138_Moment%284%29.jpg

 

http://roughfish.com/sites/default/files/20170716_075138_Moment%286%29.jpg

asianangler
Misidentified?

Nah, it looks more like the Spottail Shiner (Notropis hudsonius) or the Swallowtail shiner (I forgot its scientific name. Tight lines!

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Corey
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Minnow

Looks more like Notropis than Cyprinella

FishyJackson
so I thought the guys at the

so I thought the guys at the NANFA site believed it to be Cyprinella and it was just whether it was Spotfin or Satinfin.  It's definetely not a Swallowtail, but if it's Notropis I would agree with Spottail.  For some reason, Spottail Shiner in the northeast is different from the Spottails further south, which is used for most pictures of the fish.  It's weird and hard to ID.  Need to clear up Notropis vs Cyprinella here I guess, thanks

FishyJackson
thanks dudes.  Case closed,

thanks dudes.  Case closed, Spottail Shiner

FishyJackson
 

 

Bros, got another potential Satinfin from the vault that I overlooked

Anyone good at counting fin rays?  I really think I'm counting 9 anal fin rays on this fish, which should make it a Satin, assuming it is indeed a Cyprinella minnow.  

http://www.roughfish.com/batch-image-set-single-viewer/101880

BradleyR
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That first fish doesn't stike

That first fish doesn't stike me as Spottail Shiner, at least not the ones here in QC, Canada. I was thinking possibly juvenile Cyprinella.

FishyJackson
Bradley- the spottail shiner

Bradley- the spottail shiner in NY seems to be the toughest fish to ID, because it's different than the fish described in the official descriptions of Spottail Shiner.  It's pretty bizarre

drawer.bli
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I'd consider both fish to be

I'd consider both fish to be cyprinella, and most definitely the second one. I catch a lot of both satinfin and spotfin here (central NJ) and the head shape/mouth are telltale. At that size distinguishing between spotfin and satinfin needs to be done with an anal ray count, as you note. 

FishyJackson
I was on board with Spottail

I was on board with Spottail Shiner for the first fish because I'm pretty sure it's the same fish as this below, which I had ID'd as a Spottail.  These fish don't really fit the description of any other fish in those areas so pretty much has to be Spottail from process of elimination.  I think this is just what that fish looks like around here

http://www.roughfish.com/batch-image-set-single-viewer/101910

But the fish I posted yesterday is def either Satinfin or Spotfin, I dont have much confidence in my ray counting abilities but I really think I see 9 anal rays

FishyJackson
got it confirmed I counted

got it confirmed I counted the anal fin rays right, so that fish has to be Satinfin Shiner

I'm pissed at myself, I didnt do my normal documentation routine with a potential new fish that day.  (I'm sure everyone here has their new fish routine ).  I didnt take any pics at the scene.  That day I was out for American Shad and guess was only focused on that, only did a little bit of micro fishing.  Kept a couple Minnows for the fish tank, randomly documented the fish hours later before putting it in tank. 

I like my list in the proper order bros, dont know about yall.  I have no idea if I caught that before or after the Shad lmao it was 3 years ago.  Yes, only one of us odd species hunter dudes would be bothered by this lol or maybe just me

FishyJackson
I should point out since I

I should point out since I was joking about asianangler's ID slump in the other thread....twas asianangler who came through with the sharp ID of spottail shiner in this thread for me lol just turned out I had actually caught the satinfin 2 months later that year without realizing