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Frogchaser
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Dogs!
<p>Hey, we have the opportunity to get a puppy. They are Australian cattle dog/ German wirehair pointer mix - some males and some females available. I wanted to see if anyone has ever owned one of these dogs, and what we could expect if we got one, and if anyone has any recommendations. My parents are getting one and I went along. I got to meet both parents. The mom is the wirehair pointer and she is a trained bird dog and the father is the cattle dog and also a working dog. The woman breeds cattle dogs and Australian shepherds but this batch of puppies was an accidental mix.&nbsp;</p> <p>We have a small house and yard in the city, so I don&#39;t want the dog to feel cramped.There are also a lot of other dogs in our neighborhood and I don&#39;t want to invite trouble.</p> <p>What do you all think?</p>
the pyromaniac
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Small lots and city living
Small lots and city living won't be good for a dog like this... Both breeds are hyper and need room to run. Both breeds are great, but I don't think I would do it.

 

 

 

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Heidi
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Dogs...

Sorry for the long reply - I hope some of the info helps. 

 

I've never owned either breed, but know folks who have and have had the privilege of spending a fair amount of  time with both of these very hard working breeds. I own a westie (West Highland White Terrier) and he needs at least 2-3 hours of hard exercise everyday or he's pinging off the walls - and he's only 25 lbs. I live in the burbs and also have a smallish, fenced-in yard where he can get some exercise, but I need to drive everday to locations where my dog can run off leash, full throttle, for at least 30 minutes, and hunt terrier style for at least another 50. Then there's all the attention and play time he needs at home...but the outdoor exercise is just as good for me, and I love spending all the time I can with him, so it's a good fit for me and my dog. The only drawback is dog time can (and does) interfere with fishing time, but I took my little boy fishing for the first time last week, and he loved it, so problem solved! 

 

Both of the breeds you mention are bred to think and act independently, as well as have an extremely strong prey drive, so they need breed-specific training and a firm but gentle hand. Aussie's tend to pull rank and nip, especially with children, and will try to "herd" whoever they live with. GWPs tend to completely ignore you to follow their nose, and will take off in the field and not give a crap about you in the process...challenging breeds to train. Of course ask the breeder about training. They will probably know good trainers and other owners in the area that can help you. Most breeds have local clubs that are great resources. 

 

Based on the breed/mix, the puppies you are interested in will probably need twice the daily exercise of my dog  - and don't forget how smart they are! It's not just physical exercise, but mental stimulation as well. Owning a high-energy, working dog is like having a permanent 3-4-year-old kid. If you decide to make one of those babies part of your family, after housebreaking and basic obedience training, you're looking at at least 20-30 hours per week of exercising and training the dog to keep him/her in peak condition, so they don't find their own way to get exercise or entertain themselves! (like digging up your yard, climbing fences and escaping, chewing furniture, etc.) (@-@)

 

I don't recommend kenneling a high energy/working dog for more than a couple hours per day (they can chew their way out of most crates), so if you have the time, patience to breed-specific train, and a place to take the dog where he or she can run, herd and hunt safely off leash, go for it! 

 

The last, but equally important thing to consider is poop patrol. The bigger the dog, the bigger the poops, and it piles up fast in most suburban backyards...

 

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Outdoors4life
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German Wirehair

I had a wirehair for 9 years and LOTS of energy. She was loyal but very needy for attention. Walks were never enough to get rid of that energy.  Knowing you live in town there are likely better breeds for you. Cattle herding dogs are high energy too and I have a few friends who have had herding dogs and they need the exercise to stay happy.

I now had a Chihuahua, Papion, Shelty mix that has more energy but much smaller. Less food to buy and less poo to clean up.

 

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the pyromaniac
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A few years ago my wife
A few years ago my wife brought home a border collie / German shorthair pointer mix. Big mistake. We lived in a small apartment and I worked a achedule that didn't allow me to exercise her. That ended up being the worst dog experience either of us ever had.

 

 

 

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Frogchaser
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Yeah, we did some more

Yeah, we did some more research and talked to some other people too and after hearing it here as well, I think we're going to wait. I think this breed mix would be great but eventually we want to live out in the country where it would be much easier to get a dog like this the excercise and entertainment it needs. 

angry mongrel
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Still have my jill. Shes a
Still have my jill. Shes a wirehair we dont walk only run. Lots of love and a handful sometimes but rewarding. Lots of time spent with her. Very loyal. Wish we had more room for her but she travels alot with me to. Good times just like kids...lots of work and rewarding.

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Heidi
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Just wanted to add one last

Just wanted to add one last thing. Shelter/rescue dogs can be the greatest pets/friends any human EVER had. If you still really want a dog in your life, think about checking out your local pet shelter first. Also, many of the big pet food superstores have adoption events at least once a month. When you meet the "right one," you'll both know!

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Frogchaser
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We did some more research

Well, we've been doing some more research about a breed that would fit us better and we came up with Basenjis. Does anyone have experience with these dogs?  We like them because they are smaller dogs and they are very clean and don't bother people with allergies (which both Josh and I have) and they are still intelligent hunting dogs. They are one of the smallest in the pariah/sighthound group which is really the type of dog we've been looking at for several years now. It looks like these dogs are ok living in smaller houses/apartments as long as (of course) they get plenty of exercise and play time.

What do you guys think?

the pyromaniac
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I have no experience with
I have no experience with them, but for urban living, can you argue with a smart dog that can handle small spaces and doesn't bark?

 

 

 

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Frogchaser
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I know, right? Between that

I know, right? Between that and the super-clean, anti allergy feature it seems like a really good fit. I want to meet some in person though. It looks like they might be both hard to find and expensive. Also, they are apparently hard to train because they don't seem to like doing tricks. Which is fine by me. I always thought tricks were very demeaning and teasing to a dog. As long as we can potty train it, I'm cool.

the pyromaniac
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That's the only trick I
That's the only trick I really care about too. If a dog can be crate trained and watch over my kid when she's asleep, then it's OK in my book. I used to have a pitbull/coonhound mix, and she would watch Grace (who was a baby at the time) for about 2 hours after she fell asleep, then lay her head down on the arm of the couch next to where Grace slept and close her eyes, so if anything happened to the baby she'd be the first to know.

 

 

 

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Frogchaser
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That's really sweet!  Dogs

That's really sweet!  Dogs are so great. Josh never had a dog and I ALWAYS had one growing up and I really want to share the experience with him. Plus I think it would be so much fun to take the dog hiking & fishing & camping with us.

Outdoors4life
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Ahh Basenjis!

My neighbor had a Basenji and I loved the dog. A very loyal dog that does not really need that much exercise compared to the other breeds you talked about.

 

There are specific Basenji rescue groups that place them from families that can no longer care for them.

 

I assume you found this site already

http://www.basenji.org/joomla/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=342

 

Here is the rescue site.

http://www.basenjirescue.org/ApplDB/AdoptForm.htm

 

My neighbor decided the dog was too much for her autistic child to deal with but the dog was a very nice dog that I got to enjoy too.

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Heidi
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Great post Aaron!

Yep. Basenjis are hard to find, and expensive, so the links Aaron posted are invaluable. I think this breed is a good fit for you. Good luck finding a rescue, and keep us posted! 

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Frogchaser
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Thanks Guys!

That's really good to know, Aaron!  :)

I really value your opinions, so I'm very glad for your responses! I'm going to check around and see if I can find a breeder nearby where we can meet some dogs in person.

Outdoors4life
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1 WI Breeder

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Frogchaser
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Thanks Aaron!  :D

Thanks Aaron!  :D

Heidi
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Frogchaser
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Update!

Well, we did find a reputable basenji breeder in our area and met with her and her dogs. We really liked what we saw! Instead of a puppy we decided to get one of her 2 year olds who was looking for a home. His name is Hooligan and we get to bring him home this Saturday!  We're SO excited!!  We can't wait to bring him to his first Roundup! :D

Outdoors4life
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Yipppeeee

Very cool! No barking to deal with and a loyal companion! Hope to Hooligan this spring!

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Frogchaser
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Hooligan!

Here he is next to Charlie, sporting his trout dog tag!  :)

Corey
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Congrats!

Awesome dog!  A new Knuth!  Congrats!

angry mongrel
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Thats a purty pup you guys
Thats a purty pup you guys have cant wait to check him out come roundup time!

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Great looking dog!

Great looking dog!

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