HELP NEEDED!!! (regarding shiner ID)

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Fri, 07/03/2015 - 18:41
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drawer.bli
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HELP NEEDED!!! (regarding shiner ID)
<p>Hey guys, I was at Neshaminy creek in PA today and caught these. Sorry if the photos aren&#39;t too good. I need help IDing them.&nbsp;</p> <p><img alt="" src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-BM46IVb7bnY/VZcZt0VvU4I/AAAAAAAAB1k/X9wV68SeMGk/s640/image.jpg" style="width: 640px; height: 478px;" /><img alt="" src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-d0MoGVqjvhw/VZcZuI0kkwI/AAAAAAAAB1o/tZRfdZ-THxI/s640/image.jpg" style="width: 640px; height: 478px;" /><img alt="" src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wRu6z_xzKO8/VZcZtMQdQOI/AAAAAAAAB1Q/kLhh_2sxeVE/s640/image.jpg" style="width: 640px; height: 478px;" /></p> <p>The first three are one fish... swallowtail shiner?</p> <p><img alt="" src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-y5z7_7s_6MA/VZcZvv17uaI/AAAAAAAAB14/6YzcZnn6tTw/s640/image.jpg" style="width: 640px; height: 478px;" /></p> <p>Wasn&#39;t really sure about this one...</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>The next 2 are one fish, the next 3 are another, and the final 2 are one more. These are either satinfin or spotfin shiners, right?</p> <p><img alt="" src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-LBLkV-uA838/VZcaKLIM3CI/AAAAAAAAB20/CkS_t6m_-_0/s640/image.jpg" style="width: 640px; height: 478px;" /><img alt="" src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_3vZ8SsCe3Q/VZcaKOCUzhI/AAAAAAAAB24/vmDupXIabVE/s640/image.jpg" style="width: 640px; height: 478px;" /><img alt="" src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_zJy_A_NYpg/VZcZxSXHgaI/AAAAAAAAB2A/11iH4mXbgKo/s640/image.jpg" style="width: 640px; height: 478px;" /><img alt="" src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-sujJRQUfl90/VZcZ0vYnKUI/AAAAAAAAB2I/ORNXJgJNzgo/s640/image.jpg" style="width: 640px; height: 478px;" /><img alt="" src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_1k7k2DmO_c/VZcZ4wJ6tAI/AAAAAAAAB2Q/YZgaPw2F-AU/s640/image.jpg" style="width: 640px; height: 478px;" /><img alt="" src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-gExkuth-0vg/VZcaBNcUOeI/AAAAAAAAB2Y/9dDpX1_jYiM/s640/image.jpg" style="width: 640px; height: 478px;" /><img alt="" src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-D0F0GTsrpf4/VZcaCOhkl9I/AAAAAAAAB2g/Ok0se0N255I/s640/image.jpg" style="width: 640px; height: 478px;" /></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>It would be great if you guys could help me out with these fish... Thanks in advance!!!</p>
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Fri, 07/03/2015 - 20:24
pmk00001
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Think I see swallowtail, spot

Think I see swallowtail, spottail, and either spotfin or satinfin for the last one, great pics!

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Fri, 07/03/2015 - 20:41
drawer.bli
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Thanks for the imput! But I'v

Thanks for the imput! But I've been looking at some spottail shiners, and they don't have that dark black horizontal stripe. And for the "last one", which one do you mean? There are 3... :)

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Sat, 07/04/2015 - 05:17
pmk00001
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Spottails are highly variable

Spottails are highly variable, particularly from Atlantic drainages.  Most of the one I catch around here are more washed out than yours.  The underslung mouth and overall body shape (and a process of elimination) lead me to think Spottail.

The last three are Cyprinella species, not sure if Spotfin or Satinfin.  If you blow the pics up and count the anal rays its a good way to ID, Spotfin has 8 and Satinfin 9. 

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Sat, 07/04/2015 - 09:50
drawer.bli
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Thanks. I think I count 8 ray

Thanks. I think I count 8 rays on the 4th fish and nine on the 5th. 

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Sat, 07/04/2015 - 16:26
krazyk
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I've caught spot tails a numb

I've caught spot tails a number of times and they usually have a stripe that is semi-translucent around here. You can only see it from certain angles but the spot is always visible. 

And I think that last one is definitely a satinfin and what a pretty fish that is!

Chain Pickerel: All the bad assery of a Northern Pike wrapped up in a smaller, prettier package.

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